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What is the first song we think of when we think of "Frozen?"

YEAH, that's what I thought! They even say "cold as ice" in the movie!

NOW!!!

Its time to Review Frozen. No not that 2010 movie frozen that scared the living Sh(beep) out of me and made me never want to go skiing down a mountain! (Good movie by the way)

I'm talking about this one:

THERE WE GO!!!

Princess Anna sets off to find her sister Queen Elsa, after she had unintentionally frozen her entire kingdom in the new Disney movie "Frozen." Good-day everyone I'm D-rock625, our story starts off with a familiar story, some would think it original but it's not, it would be that is if you don't count other movies that involve siblings, or sibling problems: Mozart's Sister, Sister, Warrior, The Godfather, that Tinkerbell Secret of the Wings and pretty much Every movie ever made.

Okay okay maybe I'm getting a little too much into original stuff, but unoriginality doesn't make this movie a bad movie, as long as they include new things. Frozen... eh, just doesn't (except for two new twists, one of the being good, the other being..... BAD). But its still a good movie ^^; hehe, oh man the flaws in this movie.

Though as good as it is, I felt sort of let down by it as well, I was expecting more but just didn't get it, I'll explain that later in this review.

Just to be clear: SPOILER ALERT.

What did I think of the movie? It's actually a good movie, that sort of restored my hope in Disney because honestly lets face it, Disney doesn't make good movies anymore, well live-action movies that is. I mean, look at "The Lone Ranger" that was a terrible insulting adaptation of an American Icon, it actually destroyed it. No one will remember The Lone Ranger as being this badass gunslinger who actually was a ranger but decided to make himself a symbol  and a really bad ass symbol with a bad ass sidekick, Tonto. The movie destroyed that. One of the worst western movies ever made.

Back to Frozen, yes it did somewhat restored my faith in Disney, I like the music even though two or three of them were completely forced. Lets take a look at  the animation first, it is beautiful. This is coming from someone who'd prefer 2D over 3D. The colors are amazing, the entire sequence where Elsa, played by Idina Menzel (AKA the wickedly talented, Adele Dazeem :rofl:) was building an ice castle with her powers was a wonderful sequence, and the music is good. The song sort of sounds like "fireworks" from the god-awful Katie Perry. She is singing about her past time that she was forced to hide her powers because she could not control it, and by the time that everyone knows she has those powers she's purposely letting it go, hence the name of the song "Let it go." This song is obviously the best and most popular song in the bunch, we've news two sisters doing a duet on the song "Let it Go" about a week or two ago on the news. And boy did they suck:rofl:. Oh well they're little girls of course. And one just now who is the better singer than those sisters. Take it away girls.

Anyways her sister Anna played by Kristen Bell, is the less interesting character in this movie, though it centers around her more than with her sister. This doesn't mean I don't like her, it just means that maybe it's because she's not the one who's suffering. Yes she is suffering due to the fact that her sister shuts her out of her life, but her sister has the uncontrollable powers, and is widely frightening her, and she's doing all she can to protect the people she loves. I don't know about you but that made her more interesting as a character to me than all others, she has all the pressure putting down on her, why isn't she the main character? This is one of the problems I have with this movie. Elsa is more interesting. Plus... okay i'm gonna go ahead and say it, I THINK ELSA IS SEXY.

Yeah I've said it, I really think she's sexy. Granted she wasn't portrayed like that in the movie, she was in the trailer which is one of the reasons as to why I was sort of let down. But yeah, I really do think she's hot. I mean look at her:

OH MAN!

Probably pulled a Jonah Hill from "The Wolf of Wall Street", if yah get what I mean ;) (THE FUCKING BEST MOVIE OF 2013, well then there is Gravity and 12 years a slave) 

Speaking of WOWS, Gravity, and 12 Years A Slave

Here are some soundtracksL

From The Wolf of Wall Street

You already know

And you should know this.


oh and one more thing: How about those f[beep]king curse words huh?

But you know what? f[beep] it. I can do better.

Okay, back to f[beep]king Frozen. As far as story telling f[beep]king goes, it is pretty much f[beep]king rushed, and f[beep]king cliched as well. Disney has told many f[beep]king stories in a musical f[beep]king fashion like this before, and they've done a f[beep]king better job, this movie seemed rushed especially at the f[beep]king beginning, and the f[beep]king end. The middle was less f[beep]king rushed. Okay I like the f[beep]king singing, I get the f[beep]king Idea that her f[beep]king sister Anna is missing her sister because they used to f[beep]king play a lot together and all, but the f[beep]king story was just way too f[beep]king rushed, a few minutes in and the f[beep]king parents already f[beep]king died. Don't get me wrong, the way their parents died is very f[beep]king realistic. Traveling by sea is no joke at all, its a very dangerous environment out there especially in the worlds two biggest oceans, In fact its the second most dangerous environment known to man, the first being space. That is f[beep]king believable, but I didn't have enough time to get to know her parents in order to actually feel sad. I was like "aww man that sucks" but that's it, I felt nothing, I didn't care for them. If any I felt more sympathy for the dad, because he had more dialogue, the mother I don't remember hearing her talk at all! If you guys do could you tell me, because I don't f[beep]king remember that. Okay enough of the Wolf of Wall Street crap. Sorry, that is a great movie.

So what am I really saying here? The Montage at the beginning of the movie, the "do you want to build a snowman?" montage... Don't get me wrong, i like Montages, and they are a good Idea as long as the story delivers, with this movie, it really doesn't. I'll give you a good example of an animated movie with a montage that makes it seem rushed, but the story delivered... "UP". We are going through a five minute nearly wordless montage, and after that, we actually got to know our main protagonist even more, however with "Frozen" what happens after the first montage? We go right into the next song "for the first time in forever." Which is not a bad song, but... We really don't know the character any better just by hearing her sing.

Now we fast forward (like the movie wasn't already doing that) to the part where already they're at the party. Again it seemed rushed here too, not as much as it was a few minutes ago. Elsa has come of age, and she's now the queen. I don't know about you guys but classical music please? This piece I have to present to you is the perfect coronation music:

 This would've gone perfectly with this scene. Anyways, then we cut to the party scene. That seemed sort of rushed AGAIN, but not as much as the first 11 minutes of the movie. We see the part where the two sisters are standing together and the crowd applauding them, and we also see that Anna is sort of uncomfortable standing with her. After a few seconds, they begin to talk to each other after a while of being separate. I sort of like that part if it hadn't gotten silly "you're beautifuller, gah well i mean not "fuller" you're-- more beautiful." That I think was sort of forced into the movie. And we got the part before, when she met the prince. "This is awkward, not your awkward, I mean we, I mean I'm so awkward, you're gorgeous! Wait what?" She did it that time, and the she did it with her sister and i was like "oh man shut up and say the right fucking thing already!" But that didn't ruin the movie.

However, I do wish we would've seen more conversations between them. There was a deleted scene, in the dressing room, you guys have probably seen it already, if not here it is:

Whilst the makers of the film do provide indispensable explanations as to why they had to cut it out, this would've been better if it was the first time they are together in a dressing room, that way we would've been able to spend some more time with them than what we actually have in the entire film. Now this scene is not written in the way that would make sense but what I would've done, is rewrite this scene to make it fit into the movie. For instance, make Elsa mess up her dress, and then go into the room where she conveniently runs into her sister, and she covers her little ice incident she made. At first make them uncomfortable, like make them talk slowly first, make Elsa be the first to say "hello" Like the original Coronation scene. And then make it silly like the scene went through.
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Anna: my hips are here, my hips are there, oops, pardon my behind young man, I didn't mean to knock you down.
Elsa: It was just a gift.
Anna: From who?
Elsa: Oh, I don't know one of those big countries.

And I'm guessing "one of those big countries" is referring to the United States right Elsa?
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Yeah do something, with that.

Then we actually fast forward to a part when we see that Anna accidentally ends up with the prince. Then we get a rushed sequence already only to get to our next song, "love is an open door" okay, Don't know about you, but I think they just made the beginning part of the movie, only to get to the song, and judging by some "friends" I have who have actually been involved with it, they asked the writer, and they did seem like they just wanted to get to the songs. So, yeah it kind of was like that.
And this whole scene seems supports UNREALISTIC ROMANCE, they've just met and they're already getting married?!!? Hell even Elsa and Kristoff didn't get it! Then this movie seems to mock traditional Disney stuff, with "love at first sight."


Anyways, we move on to the part where things are about to get ugly. The two supposed "couples" want Elsa's blessing for their marriage, Elsa goes bitch mode (hence the ice queen. Get it?) and says "no," with a very good reason. Then Anna tries to talk with her, and then Elsa unintentionally reveals her powers. This part I think was played out pretty good. Though I don't think that's how it would happen, I mean if her priority is to not reveal her powers, and seeing as how her glove was accidently forced off by Anna, I'd think she'd keep the hand hidden and just yell at her, but oh well at least it helps advance the plot. Then she unknowingly unleashes her powers across all of Arandell. And now we have our movie! that's really not that well thought out, and not really that well executed.

Okay so then we cut to the middle of the story. I've already said the "let it go" sequence was good. So lets leave it at that.

Now our main protagonist Elsa, I mean Anna is looking for her. Along the way she bumps into Kristoff, a character who sells ice for a living.
Kristoff: I sell ice for a living.

That's what I just said.
Kristoff is a okay supporting character, but i don't know, he doesn't seem all that developed at all. I know he has a Elk named Sven, and he's not likable as much either. I mean that doesn't mean i'd rather not have them in the story, I would, but I'd rather we see more development. For example the romance between them, though is a little bit stronger than Anna and Hans, is pretty weak. And it wasn't the intention of this movie. This movie was about, or supposed to be about the struggling relationships between the sisters, however, we get another typical adventure between a man and a woman. I can get the fact that they didn't like each other to begin with, and then at the end, they're couples, well that's a big cliche all around, the typical, "we hate each other, but we love each other in the end" cliche. But at least it's not as big as "love at first sight." But still a pretty big cliche. As they travel, they come across a magical snow man named Frosty, dah I mean Olaf ^^;.

Speaking of Frosty, check out Bing Crosby singing "Frosty The Snowman" :D


As soon as we got to Olaf, I was thinking, "great we're gonna have another one of those annoying dumbass supporting characters like EVERY ANIMATED MOVIE NOWADAYS HAVE!"

Admit it, you guys were ready to hate him.

But to my surprise he wasn't as annoying as I thought he would be. Lets face it, supporting characters like Olaf are getting annoying and old, not just for us young adults but also for kids as well. But Olaf wasn't that annoying. He was actually pretty funny when he needed to be, but they knew when to shut him up too. He also has a hilarious singing voice when he sings that summer song, it's like he's trying to sing like a tenor. What's actually weird about this character is that he likes summer, oh the irony of it. "i'll be doing whatever snow does in summer." Yeah... MELT! He still got a little annoying sometimes. "yeah, why? ... yeah why? ... yeah why? ..." Oh my god just get him to shut up already. But he's okay, just a stepping stone of the comical relief characters, I'm sure the next would be better.
But, lets face it, you were ALL ready to hate him.

Other than that, now we follow Anna, and her three unnecessary supporting characters. She comes acros the Elsa's magical castle... only to sing to each other and get kicked out. The duet that Elsa and Anna were doing was pretty good, they were in sync with each other, and they were in rhythm too. Though I do have another problem with this part.

Anna: :sing:Actually we're not:sing:
Elsa: :sing:What do you mean you're not?:sing:
Anna: :sing: I got the feeling you don't know.:sing:
Elsa: :sing: What do I not know?:sing:
Anna: :sing: Arandell's in deep deep deep deep snow.:sing:
Elsa: What?

Wait a minute... WHAT? how the F(beep) did she not know that?!!?
Look at the entire "let it go" sequence, she was walking on a mountain full of snow supposedly during summer. When she was singing, at some point she looked back towards her ENTIRE KINGDOM she should've seen that it was all covered in snow. Is she near sighted? How did she not know that her kingdom was in deep snow, when she clearly saw it?!!?

Anyways that still doesn't make it a bad movie, it's still good. ^^; 

Then there's the twist of the story, the prince turns out to be the bad guy cliche. Well I don't think we've seen it with a prince, but we've definitely seen twists like these before. I kind of don't remember his motivation, maybe I didn't pay attention it or it's just plain stupid that I didn't even what to remember it. I never supported Anna and Hans anyways, that was just way too odd for this movie. By the way, Hans: LAMEST DISNEY VILLAIN EVER!!!

Seriously, he was boring as shit. And he was stupid. He tells Anna his secret plan, and... lets her live in hopes she would die, even though she would've purposely dropped something heavy to make loud noises and attracted the attention of nearby people, or the people downstairs to come up to her aid, and she would tell them everything.
"But Anna was weak" Then Olaf would've dropped something, and made lots of noises to attract people's attentions.

Then we fast forward to the part where Elsa is running through the frozen lake, and in doing so shes causing a blizzard that would freeze the whole town and kill everyone. Anna is running towards Kristoff, whilst he's running towards her looking for her but can't because of this blizzard, then the ice breaks Sven forces him off, and he supposedly sinks but then he crawls out of the water onboard a piece of ice, which is unrealistic because Elks don't have fingers, and the arm structure of a human, but it's an animated movie so yeah.... then Hans caught up with Elsa and told her that she supposedly killed her sister, then she emotionally drops to the ground stopping the blizzard, and everything clears up, just in time for Kristoff to see Anna and run to her, but then she convenietly sees that Hans was about to kill Elsa, and it was taking him FOR-F*CKIN-EVER TOO, He lifts the sword up above his head and it takes him so long that Anna was able to risks her life to save Elsa by jumping in front of Hans, then she turns to solid ice just in time for her to break the blade and send a shockwave to knock Hans to the ground. Oh, and good timing Ice, have you been waiting for the past I dont know TWENTY MINUTES more or less?!!? Then Elsa sees her sister is frozen and says "no" three or four times and hugs her while crying because she had done something she was trying not to do for the past few f(beep)king years, but then Anna is unfrozen because of love, which is also the answer to how Elsa can control her powers....:?
Yeah... its really cliched on so many levels. Yeah okay I'll admit I've said that word a lot but it is cliche.

And it's also kind of dumb. I mean, Love? Wow Disney, really shoving that message into people's faces there. I'll get back to this later. 

Oh, and there was also another problem with this movie.

Olaf turns on the fire.

Anna: Olaf you'll melt.

Olaf: Some people are worth melting for.

Anna smiles

Olaf: Er just maybe not right this second.

Apparently Anna willing to freeze for Olaf isn't an act of "true love" AT ALL!!!

Before we get to that part I'll just say that though this is a good movie, I was sort of let down by it. Hear me out, when we actually see the trailer, i was indicating that they were once great sisters, bound together by sisterhood, but when Elsa had the powers she supposedly turned bad. I think that would've been more interesting, if one of the characters had to die. It would've been really gutsy, I though Disney had the guts to do that, but not yet I guess. Disney is known for taking risks, now they're too scared?

Back to why this is really a let down, when i saw the trailer, I saw a scene where Elsa was standing on a hill, and it looks as though she was purposely releasing her powers to freeze her homeland, indicating that she had turned bad (or her powers made her turn bad). And then there was this other scene that the trailers showed, the part where Anna was like "That's no blizzard, that's my sister." also reinforcing the idea that Elsa had turned bad as well, and Anna has to stop her, both of which happen to be in this one scene. Check it out:

THIS is actually pretty intersting, and awesome... this looked like a way better movie than the one we've got, why wasn't this the final product? Why didn't we have to have someone who's powers is taking over her, than all that "wah wah, I can't control it" bulls(beep).

This was the one I was looking forward too, I was like "Finally Disney finally has the guts to do something like this." But instead when the actual movie came out, we get a somewhat weak character who doesn't know how to control her powers, not that I have anything against it, its just, the trailers advertised an almost different story than what the actual movie portrayed.

And back to my idea of one of the sisters having to die, it would've been interesting to see that if Anna had to kill her, that would've been heart breaking, which would've also proven that even though it's a Disney animated film, it doesn't need to limit itself to just being a kids movie. What is the problem with these companies? Serious animate films have been around in the past, like "Secret of NIMH," I think an underrated film, and a less serious "An American Tail" also VERY underrated but was was serious. NIMH featured talking animals which is equivalent to a kids movie, but it's barely a kids film. It's dark toned, serious, and it has deaths, and blood too. And it was a great film, what's wrong with a little seriousness?
I thought Disney had the guts to do it, I'm guessing it wasn't that time yet.

And some person on youtube told me that the ending for this movie was the gutsy move. He/she was wrong on so many levels, and he/she also said that Elsa turning bad would've been a cliche. Maybe that's right we've seen that before, but the ending for this movie is one of the biggest cliches ever. Why? Because the main character supposedly dies, but because of love, she's revived, and then Elsa unfreezes the land, and everyone lives happily ever after because of love. Gee haven't seen that from Disney before (Snow White, sleeping beauty, beauty and the beast) So no... the ending was not a gutsy move at all, its the same move used by Disney over and over again. He/she probably didn't know what the term "having the guts" meant.

A really gutsy movie would've been if the main protagonist Anna had died, and the supposedly antagonist Elsa had lived or if the other way around, or even if they both had died, that's a gutsy move, the ending for Frozen wasn't at all.

The story was way too rushed, it's characters are underdeveloped, Elsa had too little screen time (29min:14sec total screen time), and Anna wasn't even that interesting as a character, she's goofy but that's pretty much it. It tries to show her as loving and caring, and of course it does that but then it makes her silly again. For example, the scene between her and her sister at the castle. She seems to have hope, she wants to help her sister, then her sister kicks her out, then she's at the cliff and she's like "I was BORN ready, yes!!!" Well what the hell, I knew it, nothing but silliness.

Kristoff's was confusing, at first I thought he was taken by the trolls, I thought he had a dad or something. He was working with all these ice men at the beginning of the movie, and I thought he was working with his dad, and suddenly he was taken by the trolls but as we get further into the movie, it turned out they adopted him?!!? Wait a minute what!!! He didn't have a dad, he didn't have parents, your guess is as good as mine, the movie never explained it at all. I mean what the hell is wrong with explaining it not by expositions but by showing it in the movie. The movie somewhat explained it... but still. Not enough.

And the trolls are basically pushovers as well, I hated them, they're basicallly your typical parents that will embarrass the sh(beep) out of you. And that song was completely unnecessary, in fact, the whole thing was unnecessary, this is an example of a filler scene, a scene that does not help advance a story, or a scene that is just there.

Even though it was made clear at the beginning of the movie that they couldn't do jack sh(beep) to save Anna, and yet we're back there. Granted they wanted us to see how they treat Kristoff, but what do we get? pushovers. Oh, and they were singing that song, I don't remember it at all, and then they were suddenly putting Anna and Kristoff together to get married.

WHAT? Wait a minute... so the movie seems to be trying to say marrying Hans on the spur of the moment would have been bad, but letting the rock trolls surprise Anna and Kristoff with a ceremony would have been just fine?


And wait a minute there is one more thing:
Remember what I said about her parents, when I said I didn't care for them at all?
Well guess what? They were pretty stupid. Okay, get your hate mails ready because here we go... the parents were stupid. I mean I do get what their motivations were.... They were scared yes... but they were stupid. The troll completely stated to Elsa that "fear will be your enemy" so what do the parents do? They keep her in constant state of fear by leaving her locked up in her room for the majority of her life? In what universe does this make sense? I mean the troll completely said that fear would be her enemy and yet she is so scared, and when she was getting older she was like:
Elsa: I'm scared, its getting stronger.
King of Arendalle (however you spell it): Being upset only makes it worse.

HEY I know the solution, LET HER OUT... seriously, let her out, let her go out and enjoy life, let her go and play, because this anger, and fear is the one making it stronger.
Seriously, the very first time I saw this, I WAS on the side of the parents, somewhat, but then when it got to that scene where she was scared because it was getting stronger, immediately I was like "okay, then they should let her enjoy life, because this is obviously not working." but NOOOOOOO.... they kept her in constant state of fear for the rest of her life..... yeah.... good parenting skills people.

Yeah, like I said, one of the least thought out Disney movies.

This movie had a lot of opportunities going for it to make it a great movie, but they didn't take advantage of it. Frozen is a good (or at least okay) movie, not a great one. Will it be considered a classic in years to come? In my opinion, maybe, or F*k it, it will.


Oh and by the way, though Olaf is funny some times, he is not hilarious, if you think Olaf is hilarious, you should see those old Disney cartoons, those are hilarious. Or check out Captain Hook and Smee or however you spell his name against the crocodile in that peter pan movie. Cpt Hook is obviously the best character in that movie, and so is his first mate. And when you take the two funniest characters and put them together with the crocodile... seriously, that is some of the best Disney slapstick comedy you'll get. No matter how many times I see them it just never gets old, I always burst into tears laughing. It's just... oh man it's way too much.

Like that part where Smee is about to catch Hook, but then the croc comes out of the water pushes the boat and Hook ends up in his mouth. Then Smee grabs and ore and is ready to hit the croc in the head "Give him Back!" But then hook burst out of his mouth screaming and then smee accidentally hits hook's head. Oh my god it's just way too much. I'm laughing even when typing this review, I just can't keep a straight face.

:iconcaptainhookplz:"ROW FOR THE SHIP, ROW FOR THE SHI--" Boing! :rofl:

Now Compare Olaf with those two, not even close, he is by no means as funny as Hook or Smee. Olaf is just a dumbass which is sort of funny sometimes, but it just gets old to a point where it sort of gets annoying. I did find his summer song funny though. He has a funny singing voice. Like a tenor with helium in him.

Now for a more negative point of view:

Love? Seriously? Love is the answer to all her problems? Well shit, that should've been easy. I mean yes elsa lived in fear for the majority of her life, but goddamn she loved her parents didn't she? I mean she loved her sister and it showed it at the beginning of the movie, how the F*ck did she not know that was the case? Okay she might have not had any idea that love was the answer but she still loved her sister and her parents, it should've have affect to the curse and given her a clue. Yeah this is one of the least thought out plots from Disney so far. But it's still a good movie, or at least it's just okay. Wow... Jeez of all the F(beep)king things they could F(beep)king come up with they came up with love. 

Oh and by the way, can someone tell me how Elsa got her powers?

King: uhh born, and getting stronger.

Born?..... that's it? Just born? (sighs) whatever.

Oh and for some of you disney fans out there, I'm a disney fan myself, but don't give me that "its a disney movie" bullsh(beep) because that is no excuse to how rushed this story is. Little kids won't mind it, but also think that half of the audience are also adults so a movie, Disney or not, should be ambitious. This movie is not.  Oh and "the best musical adventure since 'the lion king'"? Hardly. The story is too rushed, and full of flaws. So no, its not. At least I like this better than Tangled... Even though, I have to give Tangled the credit, it has better storytelling than "Frozen" does.


love. Ugh, we get it Disney we'll love our families, just PLEASE make another "Incredibles" already!!!!



PS: There are speculations of a possible sequel. Check it out: thecelebritycafe.com/feature/2…. But this is just a rumor, if it does happen, could they get a better screenwriter, because this movie's plot is just deplorable.



You know, I can compare this movie Frozen to Tinkerbell Secret of the Wings. In fact Tinkerbell: SOTW is what makes Frozen even less original. Frozen deals with sisters, well Tinkerbell SOTW does that before Frozen does. Frozen has a regular sister, and her sister has snow powers, Well Tinkerbell is by no means a regular human being, she's a pixie, but her sister also has snow powers, she's a winter fairy. BUT in Frozen, the ice powers gets out of control, and freezes the entire land. Again Tinkerbell SOTW is the same shit. Yeah Frozen is completely unoriginal. It's not bad, its just unoriginal.

Why am I comparing these two? REally? Well, actually Tinkerbell Secret of the Wings is actually the better sister movie than Frozen. Why, well Frozen is a movie that just tells us that these two are sisters and they love each other, but it doesn't actually make us feel that way, and that's the most important aspect of a movie. Tinkerbell MAKEs us feel that those two are sisters, the things they are doing, they share "lost things" or "found things" with each other, it shows that they're related, it makes us feel that way. Frozen, just uses dialogue and it doesn't actually make us feel that. 

Young Anna: :sing: we used to be best buddies, but now we're not:sing:

Elsa: :sing:There's so much fear:sing:

Yeah, thanks elsa for telling us and not actually making us feel it.


For sister movies between Tinkerbell and Frozen, Tinkerbell: SOTW is a little better movie, it doesn't need music at all. Then there's the Romeo and Juliet part where they need to stay separated, and then they go to a log bridge where Tinkerbell and Periwinkle hug each other, and it was so emotional, the movie takes its time with that. ITS AWESOME.

Now there have been some people who are against my criticism of the story, saying "it's a movie meant for little girls." Well that's a bit stupid on your part, because by saying that, you're basically saying little girls are stupid and will never understand a story. Just because it's for little girls, that doesn't mean the movie has to be dim witted for them. And that's the Beauty of Tinkerbell: Secret of the Wings, it doesn't treat it's young children as stupid kids who won't understand a story, it treats them almost the same as adults.

Even though I am COMPLETELY against Tinkerbell having a sister, Tinkerbell Secret of the Wings made me believe that they were sisters, and now I'm not that against it, I sort of am but hey it's pretty good, even though that movie is WAY OVER-THE-TOP GIRLY, I mean seriously, all the female characters in there are like "awww" "it's so cute" "she's so cute" and I'm thinking, "oh my god shut the F(beep) up already." Yeah I should've expected that, but even if I should've expected that, it is so girly even by girls standards.
But anyways, even though it is so over-the-top girly, and whimsical, at least it convinces the audience that Tinkerbell and Periwinkle were sisters, Frozen just tells us and doesn't do anything after that, I'm still convinced that they're sisters but not convinced enough.

It's so sad to think that a Direct to DVD movie is better than a theatrically released film. Tinkerbell Secret of the Wings was the better sister movie than Frozen.


HEY LOOK IT'S RAPUNZEL!!!! AND FLYNN!!!!!!


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The video is actually here.




Damn that was good!


So here's the breakdown:


"From the studio that finally learned how to make pixar movies"

Well, with this movie, I'd say they're still learning.


"Comes the feature length music video for... 'Let it Go'"

I know right, this movie was pretty much all about that song, which is annoying now, if you don't believe me, just listen to the interviews, they changed the story entirely only because they were crying to this song. (well, not crying per say, they were struck by the song.)


"confusing set of powers like, snow blasting, dress making, castle building, and creating life?"

Elsa: You're alive?

Olaf: I think so.

"they kind of gloss over that one."

I know right, just proves that this movie is full of unexplained flaws.


"Fall in love with her adorkable sister Anna"

Adorkable... HAHAHAHAHAHA, she is kind of a dork.


"Who spends three years of her life, shut inside a castle, even though she could leave at any time"

Maybe she was a lazy f(beep)k.


"And who can forget, the completely unnecessary, unexplained, troll rocks."

I KNOW RIGHT? the most unnecessary group of characters EVER. Well, then there's Olaf.


"That teaches girls everywhere, they don't need a prince to rescue them, because ALL men are disgusting loners, greedy murderers, or lying manipulative power-hungry sociopaths."

WOW, this movie is really makes us guys look bad. It gives power to the women, but make us look like s(beep)....:?.... And people say Hans is relatable, yeah anyone who says Hans is relatable I'm staying the f(beep) away from, because I'm not relatable to a power hungry psychopath.


:sing:for the first time in forever, its as good as "Lion King":sing:

OH GOD NO, honestly why do people keep saying that? It's nowhere near the level of "The Lion King". That movie had a level of seriousness, back when Disney used to have the guts to show something as heartbreaking as a boy loosing his father, now its not gutsy anymore. (and people actually think this movie is gutsy, they are wrong)


"Musical journey, that's all about the soundtrack"

I know right, well at least its not as bad as "Les Miserables" that was overwhelmingly ANNOYING!!!


"The romantic duet"

Yep, they were about to pork.


"The other romantic duet"

Lets face it, this movie unintentionally supported beastiality.


"The comic relief song"

Yeah well, kinda unnecessary character, that comes in like HALF WAY through the movie, actually more then that. With another unnecessary song. At least it was funny though.


"The one you skipped"

Holy s(beep) I don't even remember this song. Was this song at the beginning?


"the song you don't know the words to"

Yeah, you know what? F(beep) this song, the most unnecessary scene, characters, and song.


"and the YOLO song"

FINALLY, someone actually sees that this song is now annoying. It was good back then, but the internet, oh my god.



STARRING:


"Forgotten Sarah Marshall"

HAHA. the "Forgetting Sarah Marshall" reference, because Kristien Bell starred as Sarah Marshall in that movie.


"Kristoff Waltz"

HEY, the actor from "Django" and "Inglorious Bastards"... And that one animated movie you don't even remember, and all those German movies you never saw.


"Ugly Smurfs"

HAHA good one.


"Hans Gruber"

I KNEW you were gonna make a "DIE HARD" reference with that one, i knew it!!!


"Merchandising"

I would've said "Frosty the snowman"


"and, the wickedly talented Adel Dazeem"

HAHAHAHA,there's no way anyone's letting that go right? I feel bad for John Travolta now. :rofl:



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Hey, wait a minute, you forgot "Rapunzel, and Flynn Cameo"... Oh well.




Oh, and one more question: Why is Kristoff's name spelled like this (Kristoff) in the script when in reality the correct way to spell it is this (Christoph)?






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DelDiz Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2014
Nice movie but there were just so many things that infuriated me about it. First off, it was meant to be hand drawn, back when Disney promised us a hand-drawn movie every two years then by some ass backwards logic decided it wasn't lucrative enough but garbage like the Lone Ranger and Maleficent? Gold! :dummy: So already this movie brings to mind broken promises and dreams.

Next, this entire movie could have been avoided if not for one teeny tiny BLATANTLY OBVIOUS plot hole. The King announces to the troll that they're going to keep their daughter locked up in the palace away from everybody including her sister until she can keep her powers under control. HOLD THE PHONE. Are you telling me those idiot trolls, the supposed love experts of the movie, said absolutely nothing about what a horrible, ill-fated, stupid idea that was?? THIS is why "troll" is considered derogatory!! They could have put an end to this "conceal don't feel" garbage right then and there. I was jumping for joy when those two finally died. And Anna seriously, you never asked them why Elsa was being a bitch? Where were THEY when you were all by yourself in the castle?? What is the point of crying over these two pointless characters whose relationship with you amounted to one measly line of dialogue?

Don't even get me started on how pointless Hans was...

Finally, and most importantly....this movie is NOT The Snow Queen. I mean, Disney has always deviated from the source material and that's probably for the best since a lot of fairytales aren't exactly kid friendly, but they at least tried to maintain the spirit of the original story. Frozen doesn't even come close to being the epic, life-changing, power-of-love kind of fable The Snow Queen is. It's Tangled with a new coat of paint, or rather a blanket of snow.
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Drock625 Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2014
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dach1n… ;)
Even when the first time I saw that I knew it was a bad idea, "uh, excuse me the troll said fear was her enemy, what's going on here?" I even said that out loud.

Yep.... That's why I said the parents were completely stupid, and Hans... oh my god, people try to say he's unlike any other villain and you wouldn't believe the things they say, all of it is complete over-exaggeration.

Yep, it says its based on it, but in reality it has NOTHING to do with the Snow Queen at all.
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DelDiz Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2014
He's unlike any other villain because he makes NO SENSE as a villain. There's coming out of left-field, and then there's getting run over by the short bus to the funny farm's little league tournament.

I don't think it would be too much of a stretch for them to make another movie based on the Snow Queen. I've been working on the story since before Frozen was given the green light.
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MJDisneyGirl Featured By Owner May 31, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Excellent review there, thanks! :D

Although it's a great movie, I feel that, now that I think about it, it would've been done A LOT better if Miyazaki took a Shakespeare-like approach to it with much darker, deeper and more songs like from Phantom, Sweeney Todd or Les Mis:
Elsa is cursed (NOT BORN) with her ice-bending powers by an evil witch when she tricks her pregnant mother into making her daughter the most extraordinary little girl (great parenting, I know).
Elsa starts out as a good person, and she and Anna start out as happy, playful, realistic kids. She loves Anna unconditionally and, like all good sisters, is willing to do anything to protect her. Because of this, she tries her best to learn to control her powers, but because of her misguided parents (I'll get to them later), the only way she knows how is to totally conceal her powers and completely shut everyone out of her life.
During the coronation reception, the sisters have a conversation more developed than the one in the movie (and Anna never meets Hans, there is no Hans). During so, Elsa comes to realize that everyone, including Anna, only looks out for themselves and not what's best for their own queen. But then again, how could Anna possibly know considering her parents never told her of Elsa's powers? Shrug But I digress.
Since Elsa now opens her eyes to seeing everyone as selfish scumbags, except for Anna, she orders Anna to run away from her her direction, puts herself in exile and places the kingdom in an icy curse. As she lets it go Singingshe unintentionally lets her powers shrink away her heart and make her forget about the ones she loves. She suddenly becomes this suave, diabolical enchantress of winter, seemingly invulnerable of anything from stopping her. Devilish
The stubbornly-caring Anna then sets off on her own with her feet and with a pack of food, a blanket, a dagger, and a flint and pot for melting the snow to make water. Instead of running into an unnecessary iceman (Yeah you're right, where ARE his parents? THE TROLLS KIDNAPPED HIM!!! Nuu ) and snowman, she finds herself lost in a forest with some subtle forms of enchantment she creates through her own psychological state of mind. While trying to find a way out to get to Elsa, she comes across some talking trees, fairies and other magical beings asking her questions of her past, why she's on her journey and what she's really searching for, as well as playing riddle games with her mind. This is when she really starts to question herself, her past and her love for her sister, so much that she feels it's best to kill her.
In a matter of weeks of crossing the mountains, she finally finally reaches Elsa. Oh, in the movie, how could Elsa get to the top of the highest mountain in a few hours and Anna in one day? Confused But again, I digress.
Elsa doesn't recognize her own sister and threatens to destroy her if she doesn't leave. Anna refuses and threatens back that she'll kill her first, so Elsa challenges her to a battle of the wits, this being when Anna gets to answer the questions she's asked herself in the forest, once and for all. When Anna loses, Elsa flashes an ice-ray into her heart, but then suddenly remembers everything.
She now regrets taking out her powers on everyone and her own sister, but she tragically still doesn't know how to control her powers. So she runs away yet again, begrudgingly leaving Anna to die.

I'm sure I could write a better, more kid-friendly version once I actually read the story of the Snow Queen. Sweating a little... And yeah! Why doesn't Disney take more risks like other animated films (NIHM looks fantastic BTW, I've yet to see it. LoveThe ending to An American Tail always makes me cry, ALWAYS.Happy Tears)? Oh wait, I know why. It's because back in the 80's, when Disney was starting to go down the crapper, Capitalist businessmen took over the company, helping them to get back into business and growing MUCH bigger than they have when they first started out, pretty much creating the image that some people love to call them as a corporate beast.

ANYWAY, for what she is, I still love Elsa A LOT, hence my shipping of her and one of by biggest heroes of all forever, Michael Jackson: mjdisneygirl.deviantart.com/ga… She's the whole reason why I love the movie so much, as well as the animation and the songs of course (Except for Reindeers and Fixer Upper, hate those annoying-as-hell songs:frustrated: -revampand holy sflying-shit-fuck do I mother-fucking HATE those mother-fucking trolls!!! shooting m40 TrollTroll Troll ), even if everything else is weak (Goddamn, she gets THAT little screen time? OMG ). It's like how I feel about 101 Dalmatians (the 1961 version, the good one). I mean think about it, really all it is is a pair of dalmatians trying to find their puppies and then the family trying to get back home, just as simple and heart-warming as any kids' movie could be. But, oh sweet Goddamn, Cruella de Vil is hands-down, my all-time, #1 favorite Disney Villain. Yeah, yeah, I know everyone is gaga WOW over Maleficent and Frollo. While I love them both, Cruella doesn't need powers like Maleficent to be interesting, just personality, and holy Mother of Jesus does she have TONS of it! She's wild, she's funny, she's demanding, she's funny, she's passionate, she's funny, she's obsessive, she's funny, she's barbaric, she's funny, she's fabulous, she's funny, she's insane, she's funny, she's all over the place, she's...UGH, I just LOVE that crazy, funny-ass woman! ROFLExplode la plzSo in that sense of powers vs. the power of emotion, Cruella is like the Batman of Disney Villains (Or more like the Joker...My God Wow! ...I just discovered why she's so awesome!Doge), which is ironic since Maleficent is darker in style, pft, as if imagining yourself wearing a coat made of puppy hides wasn't dark enough. Bitchez PLEASE. Devilish

Cough Anyway, yeah, I have to agree with you, her parents ARE stupid! Stare They never taught her how to control them, them being too afraid she wouldn't know how to control them herself. Once she finally lets go Singing (Sorry, can't help it. :D) she forgets she's putting everyone's lives in danger. Once she realizes so, she does genuinely try to reverse her powers to save everyone she loves, especially Anna. Yeah, the ending is quite hokey, I feel they could've done better as well. Haha, you forgot Tangled on the list of saving the day with love, although technically it was the magic golden flower juice in her tear that revived him, but still she just HAD to fall for him in the end, didn't she Disney?

I do agree with you though that Incredibles is a much, much, MUCH better family movie, along with Bambi, The Lion King, (And cue the tears for the first two, oh cruel, wicked me. EVIL Laughter!) Lilo and Stitch and The Princess and the Frog. Nod Speaking of which, I suggest you check out my meme on Disney families: mjdisneygirl.deviantart.com/ar…

Ummm, I noticed you stealing some words from the Nostalgia Critic from his review of Peter Pan for Disneycember, just a warning bro. :| (Blank Stare) Not that I'm disagreeing with you on how FUNNY Hook and Smee are, just like Cruella! Nommy smile OMFG that scene with the croc! rofl

Yeah, I also heard they're possibly doing a sequel. Maybe I could work for Disney someday to work on the story? I really think I could do it, like how I came up with my own darker version of the tale in the top part of my comment. Is there a position at Disney and other entertainment companies that is just the storyteller? I would really like to do that, as well as design the backgrounds and look and development of the characters. :)

Wow, SOTW Sounds like SUCH a good movie! I'll have to get it on Netflix sometime. :D Yeah, a movie doesn't necessarily NEED songs to be strong. Granted, there are some movies that just sound better with songs, like The Wizard of Oz, Mary Poppins and Beauty and the Beast, mah shit right there. Nod Love Frozen on the other hand, while they are cute, it didn't really need its' songs, just admit it people. Stare Hey, you don't have to see it as a bad thing how a direct-to-DVD film is better than a theatrical one, less pretension there. Wink/Razz Plus, I now personally think Cinderella III: A Twist in Time is better than Frozen. It has a better plot, better character development, better, easier-to-follow songs (even though there were few), and a more climactic twist and resolution. Overall, a more fulfilling film, for me that is. I think what helps to making it such a good movie is how at first, in the original Cinderella, the characters weren't that interesting, blank slates, but in their latest film you see them have WAY more personality and MUCH stronger ambitions! Yeah, yeah, Cinderella worked hard around the house to have her happy ending, but after the sisters tear up her dress she doesn't resolve her own solution, just runs away and cries. In the third installment, which should've been the second, she actually leaves the house all on her own and takes charge to get her man! I salute you! I loved the original as a little girl (pick on me all you want for being a pussy girly-girl for all of my childhood), and it's nice to see it being adapted for modern audiences SO well. Love 

Well...yeah. At first they wanted to make Elsa the bad guy, but then Let It Go happened, and now the whole movie revolves around it. But...I'm sorry, I still love the HELL out of that song!Singing

Hey, I LOVE her powers, no mater what! Stare

Oh come on dude, how could she possibly leave her own sister, her only family? Disbelief

Yeah, they could've made the guy characters more complex and interesting, sorry bro. No, I disagree!

Totally gonna POOOOOOOOOOOOORK!!! :happy: 

Kristoff, Christoph, tomato, tomahto, IDK. Shrug

SO overall, like the movie, LOVE ELSA! I see A LOT of potential in her as a character. Should've been put in a better-developed story that would better develop her. Still sticking to shipping her and MJ, that's how much I love that gal. Nod
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Drock625 Featured By Owner May 31, 2014
Jesus Christ.... this is one of the longest replies I've ever seen.

Its not a great movie, its good but not great.

And yeah, I like your view of a story that would be more developed. Hell I can even write a better one than the one they already have. ;)

This movie has lots of flaws, and finally Elsa's character had so much potential, it just wasn't there at all. 29 minutes and 14 seconds. Yes, that's all the screen time she had in a 102 minute movie. And like I said, Anna was the least interesting character. This movie was supposed to be about sisters but with the Anna/Christoph adventure thing going there, it was barely about the sisters.
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MJDisneyGirl Featured By Owner May 31, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Heh heh, sorry. I don't do replies that often, but when I do, I tend get a BIT passionate. Sweating a little...

Yeah, have to agree with you there once I really start to analyze it. :| (Blank Stare)

Thank you, except I think my version might be a little TOO dark for kids, but then again I've heard the original tale of The Snow Queen is pretty dark, so...IDK. Shrug Well, I'll believe it once I read it. wink

Nice insight! :D I must admit though, I can relate SO much with Anna. She's quirky, kind-hearted, likes company but doesn't really know how to act right in front of others, and is willing to go to any lengths to protect the ones she loves. But also like Elsa, I have my internal struggles, I would consider myself to having creative talents, and I can very easily hurt others with who I can be. UGH, so hard to figure myself out!:frustrated: -revamp

Cough Anyway, I hope I can revive Elsa's potential in my shipping of her and Michael, a person WAY more complex than Anna. Have you seen my gallery of them? What do you think? :eager: by darkmoon3636
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Drock625 Featured By Owner May 31, 2014
well... sometimes like that but not like this.

Good or at least okay.

That novel was considered a children's book too though, so yeah it may be good enough, but it is pretty dark but at least enjoyable.

Yeah yeah... :?

Ye.... no. I'm sorry but no. I like MJ but him with Elsa? That is the weirdest thing.
Hell I wasn't even aware of all these shipments thingies. People paring Jack Frost with Rapunzel, or whatever... I really don't get that. However I have seen some Jack Frost/Elsa shipments, I thought that was okay.

but, as far as all the other "ships" goes... I don't know. Jack and Elsa seems to be the only thing that makes sense, and its not just because of their powers.
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MJDisneyGirl Featured By Owner May 31, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I've yet to read it, definitely looks interesting.

Oh. O_o...Well...I'm sorry you don't like it and can't see my vision. That doesn't mean I'm gonna stop though. With two giants like MJ and Elsa, I'm convinced I'll have more supporters than skeptics. Plus, I personally see them as soul mates, so whatever. Shrug We can still be friends though, right? I mean, at least you like MJ. :D

I personally don't mind the shippings, but like you, I have my limits to what I like and what I think is weird. For instance, WHY ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH ARE PEOPLE SHIPPING ELSA AND ANNA?! THEY ARE FUCKING SISTERS FOR GOD'S SAKE! IT'S INCEST, FUCKING INCEST PEOPLE!!!Wrath

Cough Anyway, it's NOT that I don't support Jelsa, it's an ingenius pairing, but exactly in what other ways do you think Jack is a better fit for Elsa than MJ besides him having ice-bending powers like her?
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Drock625 Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2014
oh... did I mention he was three hundred years old? :sarcasm:
Movie came out in 2012 which is the time period for the movie as well so it must have been 2012 in the movie.... which means he's been around since 1712.... GODDAMN he would've seen the American Revolution, the war of 1812, and the civil war.

He probably would have great tastes in music. Seeing as how he would've been able to meet Mozart, Bach, and Beethoven, though its not likely, these brilliant composers were not like rock stars today, they were mostly treated as ordinary people.

But then there is the 20th century with Sinatra, Bennett, The Four Seasons, The Beatles.

(Seeing as how Chris Pine [the voice for jack frost] sang Frank Sinatra on Jimmy Kimmel Live, yeah)
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MJDisneyGirl Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Hm, interesting. :)

Well that's nice, all singers are normal people.

Whoa, really? Wow! 
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Drock625 Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2014
I know right.

Hmm... yeah, but Mozart... seriously, he was well talented, but he was poor? Fuck no.

Yeah really, check it out: www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb6b9n…
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Drock625 Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2014
it is.... a lot better than the movie. ;)

MJ is a giant, Elsa is an animated cartoon, not a giant. Although she is an influence, she's not real for one thing, and she's only sang two or three songs. That's pretty much it. Nothing that would constitute her as a "Giant" despite her annoying as hell song being popular.
Yeah... I like him, but MJ and Elsa? no...

And yes we can still be friends, maybe if we stop talking about this.

What? People are shipping those two?........ um excuse me while I go to the bathroom and take care of some business..... (VOMITS)

Well... where do I begin, he relates to her... that being he's been alone for most of his life, for three hundred years, whereas Elsa is the same, but only 13 years... oh and did I mention he's lived for three hundred years? In his lifetime he could've seen historical figures like Abraham Lincoln, Joseph Stalin, Roosevelt, Hitler, Hell, he could've seen what the roaring twenties was like, and I LOVE that decade. The 20s was the best despite all those gangsters stuff, though I do love the twenties gangsters, with those tommy guns and shit.... oh man those tommy guns are the best :D. Hell, Jack could've seen Al Capone and Lucky Luciano, as well as Arnold Rothstein, and Meyer Lansky. Maybe Nucky Johnson and "Joe the boss" Masseria. I'm not trying to glorify the gangsters but goddammit, you gotta give them credit, how powerful they were with Prohibition. An 18th amendment that banned alcohol, which was a BIG failure in America, and is the only amendment in American history to be repealed.

What if Jack actually met these guys... What if he met Lincoln, what if he met Al Capone, and Lucky Luciano, well not met, but run into them seeing as how these guys were very famous, like movie star famous. They probably could not see him, but he would see them,  I would've loved to ask him what these guys were like.
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MJDisneyGirl Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Hey you, if Roger Rabbit can combine the worlds of humans and cartoon characters so well and give them such good, believable chemistry, well then, why can't I dammit? Stare

Fine, fair enough. Handshake

Ugh, IKR? Horrible, truly and utterly DISGUSTING. I think I am going to PUKE! I mean, I don't see shippings of other Disney siblings like Nani and Lilo or Sitka and Kenai, SO WHY THE HELL ARE THEY MESSING WITH THIS ONE?!:angry

Okay, I can see that, but (sorry bro, gotta mention him one more time) it's the same with Michael! Since age five, practically throughout his entire childhood, he was told there was no other path for him than being in the spotlight, that it was his destiny. Plus, to keep them away from the streets with many other black kids in Gary IN, his father made him and his brothers do hard labor and rehearsals, to keep them well disciplined. So, there was no time for playing with their friends from school, leaving poor Michael with no one other than his family to keep him company and have fun with. He was trapped, just like Elsa. Still can't see what I see? Ah well, I tried. Shrug

THE ROARING TWENTIES! Man, do I WISH I existed in the time! The fashion, the music, the attitudes, everything was just so damn happy and carefree except for the mobsters of course. However, Michael Jackson wasn't around in that time, so...yeah. Boy, you sure know you're gangsters. Now don't get me wrong, I find it interesting how you find them so interesting, how you see them the same way a lot of Disney fans see the Villains (me included Wink/Razz).

Speaking of which, check out this KICK-ASS song they sing. Imagine if there was a musical set in the 20's (much darker than Thoroughly Modern Millie) where the mobsters would, of course, be the villains, and they would sing a song like this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rbh1LN…

Yeah, that would be cool indeed. I've never seen the movie, so I didn't know he was around for that long, but it certainly doesn't surprise me. :D
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Drock625 Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2014
Yeah.... good explanation, but not enough to match Elsa my friend. You're missing out one thing.... at least he went out to do these things, whereas Elsa was stuck in her castle everyday for 13 years. That makes a huge difference. So still wouldn't make sense to ship those two... Elsa had no company, not even her sister, only her parents. Michael had a lot more<img style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% transparent ! important; border: medium none ! important; display: inline-block ! important; text-indent: 0px ! important; float: none ! important; height: 10px ! important; margin: 0px 0px 0px 3px ! important; min-height: 0px ! important; min-width: 0px ! important; padding: 0px ! important; vertical-align: super ! important; width: 10px ! important;" src="cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/…"> then that.... he was out making himself a star at a young age. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho7796…

There is a huge difference, however you don't have to convince me for anything, if you like the two, you go ahead and do it. ;)

Yep.... I would be dancing to Jazz, and I'd want to be rich enough to own a Rolls Royce, you should see those twenties cars.... ahhh goddamn they're great.
yes I know my gangsters. Lucky Luciano is considered the godfather of crime, meaning organized crime as you see it today... wouldn't exist if it wasn't for Luciano. In fact he separated powers into what is known as "The Five Families", crime families in New York that still exist to today, and dominate organized crime despite the increasing number of street gangs. There are also his two Jewish friends, Meyer Lansky is called the quiet don, and genius, and Arnold "the Brain" Rothstein, who was also considered the genius of organized crime, he was accused of Fixing the 1919 world series. Arnold was killed though, after failing to pay a debt that was the result of a fixed poker game<img style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% transparent ! important; border: medium none ! important; display: inline-block ! important; text-indent: 0px ! important; float: none ! important; height: 10px ! important; margin: 0px 0px 0px 3px ! important; min-height: 0px ! important; min-width: 0px ! important; padding: 0px ! important; vertical-align: super ! important; width: 10px ! important;" src="cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/…">.
There is one other Carlo Gambino founder of the Gambino crime family<img style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% transparent ! important; border: medium none ! important; display: inline-block ! important; text-indent: 0px ! important; float: none ! important; height: 10px ! important; margin: 0px 0px 0px 3px ! important; min-height: 0px ! important; min-width: 0px ! important; padding: 0px ! important; vertical-align: super ! important; width: 10px ! important;" src="cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/…">, the most powerful crime family in American history. If you look at him he doesn't seem frightening, but looks can be deceiving. With he and his family controlling most of the rackets in New York, he had more power than the Mayor.

Oh and get this, Carlo Gambino never spent a single day in jail. Yeah that's right, he was never arrested, he was never indicted, he was investigated, his house was bugged by the feds so that they can record him talking business with his caporegime, but due to Gambino's ingenious use of talking in codes, the feds never got anything to indict him with.

OH, disney villains you say, yeah i love Disney villains, I think my favorites are Scar, Frollo, Hades (even though I don't like hercules, but Hades is just... oh my god, he's funny as hell) And Maleficent obviously the best female villain. But I also love the ludicrous ones, Captain Hook, and Curella Deville. But if Gambino was a Disney villain in a movie where you're rooting for the feds, then he would've been the one who never lost. In fact, he would've been the one who won.

Yeah, I know my gangsters, I'm researching to write a screenplay. An animated crime<img style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% transparent ! important; border: medium none ! important; display: inline-block ! important; text-indent: 0px ! important; float: none ! important; height: 10px ! important; margin: 0px 0px 0px 3px ! important; min-height: 0px ! important; min-width: 0px ! important; padding: 0px ! important; vertical-align: super ! important; width: 10px ! important;" src="cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/…"> flick! ;) Possibly the world's first animated crime movie.
Its set in the roaring 20s as well. Would you like me to tell you more about it?
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Umagic65 Featured By Owner May 11, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Finally!!! Someone who's not scared to admit that Frozen absolutely sucked!
Right there, you have better character development because you showed us that you're not afraid!!! :D
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Drock625 Featured By Owner May 15, 2014
I didn't necessarily said it "sucked" I said it was okay, however I will believe that this movie is extremely overrated. People keep saying and I don't know why, that its groundbreaking. Yeah... sorry people but no.
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Umagic65 Featured By Owner May 15, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Aw... Frozen really sucked though...
But I get what you say.
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Drock625 Featured By Owner May 16, 2014
They try so hard in making strong female characters, but they end up degrading the men, by making them look like disgusting loners, greedy murderers, and manipulative power hungry psychopaths.

the female characters are just barley strong characters. Elsa is depressed and she wines a lot, Anna is crazy as hell, and she gets help from a guy.

Yeah, Frozen is the same thing Disney has been doing, it is nothing new, or groundbreaking.


People also say "its because the problem was not solved by a true loves kiss, that's what makes it unique" Well to those people who say that, Pocahontas' problems were not solved by kisses, Mulan's problems were not solved by kisses, so a bit no to those people.
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Umagic65 Featured By Owner May 16, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yeah, and Mulan saved all of China!
Elsa nearly killed everyone with a fucking snowstorm, even though she claimed she didn't know she did it... :iconannoyedplz:
She said in "Let it Go", "Let the storm rage on."
Later when Anna confronts her in the castle and tells her that the kingdom's buried in fucking snow, she goes "What?"
are you serious
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Drock625 Featured By Owner May 17, 2014
yeah.

And yeah again, I pointed that out as well. "let the storm rage on." she knew she was releasing her powers. I don't get that part.
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Umagic65 Featured By Owner May 18, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I didn't get the entire movie. lol
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FriendoftheDoctor Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2014
I like the movie. Now I agree with you that the story itself needs work, but I did like the characters.

I liked Elsa because, while she didn't have much screentime, she had more dimensions as a character. I'm so glad she wasn't the villain in this story and instead a misunderstood woman who feared what people thought of her abilities. Sort of a magic X-men thing. Though, I wonder what it would've been like if she was a villain. I know that some concept ideas made it that she was truly evil and others where she wasn't evil, but hated Anna for having freedom while she was actually forced to hide her abilities. Some endings involved Elsa getting redeemed at the end, but I don't know what her fate was for all the different versions. Other versions had it that Elsa had a love interest. Regardless, I do like the "official" version of Elsa. And I agree with you, that woman is absolutely gorgeous.

The idea of Hans being a villain isn't a bad one. Mr. Prince Charming is actually a despicable bastard who's only out for personal gain? That's pretty good and it's a massive  Take That to the Prince Charming cliche. Granted Shrek sort of beat Frozen to it but still...

The issue is that more could've been done with Hans. Wasted potential.
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Soragirl6 Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2014
Shrek did the same thing with their prince charming. I think movies have been taking jabs at Prince charming for years. I found the movie to be highly sexist. 

Hans is not the only one that had potential. Kristoff served NO purpose in this movie. What a wasted character. If the themse so called support women don't need men, why is Kristoff sitting there in this movie? And most of the movie spent on developing Anna and Kristoff's relationship rather than Elsa and Anna's. And in the end he didn't even turn out to be her true love! WTH? What kind of sister story is this? I'll tell you a good sibling story from Disney: Lilo and Stitch. 

This movie had no firm plot. While people claim the movie was about Elsa's struggle with inner power, ELSA WAS NOT THE MAIN CHARACTER. Anna was the main protagonist! lol Disney you suck these days. Just selling on pretty animation, stupid Dream Work characters for merchandise (Olaf), pretty toys (what was the purpose of Elsa's gorgeous ice gown?), inclusion of social agendas (feminism), and redoing an already popular "I'm misunderstood" story (wicked).  

What they forgot to include was an actual developed story. Not that they care because Disney knows they are going to sell millions just by inputting popular social ideals. R.I.P Disney's greatest. SMH
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Drock625 Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2014
I like the characters, however they needed more development. A lot more.

It would've been better had she have been the villain, or someone who's powers are starting to take control of her, and becoming possessive over her, that would've been interesting. I hear that there was an idea where her powers take over her mind and makes her do the things a villain would do, that would've been interesting, she would've been a villain, misunderstood, and a sister to the heroine, all three of which would've fit perfectly. However, this movie... Like you said, some versions involved her getting redeemed in the end. I'm not fond of the "official" version of her, mostly because she was advertised as something else in the trailers, instead we get a weak character who cannot control my powers, which is such bullsh*t to me if they wanna show women power.

Oh and by the way, this movie seems anti-masculine.

Hans was the lames, worst, and the most wasted disney villain ever, honestly and people actually think he's a good villain, no, an actual good villain would have a tremendous affect on the story, Seeing as how Elsa was like 99% of the problem, Hans had no room in it to cause anymore problems, he was ineffective, lame, and a dumbass. :D
And someone actually said he's relatable... :? Yeah, anyone who says this dumbass of a villain is relatable I'm staying the F(beep)k away from, because I'm in no way shape or form relatable to power hungry psychopath. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Like I said, this movie was one of the least thought out Disney movies, and its not even close to "The Lion King," why do people keep saying its as good as "The Lion King"? I have no idea. Its not there.
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FriendoftheDoctor Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2014
I've only seen one Frozen trailer with Elsa and all it showed was her using her magic in the mountains. That's all. I think it was a teaser trailer. I couldn't get a good look at her face so it looked to me more like she was having fun rather than doing anything antagonistic.

Right now if they had used a different version, I say I would've preferred one of the redeemed versions of Elsa, but that's because I'm imagining the "official" version of Elsa in the role. And I realize that wouldn't fly. Obviously Elsa's personality would be way different than how she is in canon and therefore my opinion of her would be different too. I might like her as a villain, I may despise her, She could be a character I hate but acknowledge as a great villain, a character who I feel sorry for and/or happy if she gets redeemed in the end. There's way too many possibilities.

In the end, I'm happy with this Elsa. Ice powers aside, she goes through vulnerabilities, struggles, and trials just like other people do. If anything, people can see her as the relatable character. If they're willing to replace the whole magic powers bit with everyday challenges. Anna's a sweet character too but the "happy and slightly clumsy" personality is being used all the time. 

Maybe it wouldn't be so bad for you if this version of Elsa was the actual protagonist of the story instead of Anna? Granted it would also help if more stuff was done to the story to give Elsa a bit more of a challenge.

It's kinda funny though because the Snow Queen in the original story was not an actual villainess. She was more or less questionable neutral and gave the protagonists a way to help themselves rather than actually aid or hinder them.

I think the reason why somebody says Hans is relatable is because the actual creators said that Hans became the way he is because he wasn't loved a lot as a child. Having twelve older brothers DOES have a chance of doing that. But anyone who finds Hans relatable probably focuses on the child negligence part yet ignores the things Hans was willing to do to take over Arendelle.
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Soragirl6 Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2014
I wish Disney studios had gone with Walt Disney's version of The Snow Queen (Frozen is based off of Hans Christian Anderson's the snow Queen, but Walt Disney had planned on making the movie before he died).

If the original Walt Disney had finished this project 75 years ago like he planned:

1. Anna wouldn't be some dippy teenager. Instead she and Kristoff would have been the two children (from the original story by Hans Christian Anderson) who had heard of the legend of the Snow Queen in the mountains.

2. Elsa would have been a figurative mother to the children, misunderstood still, but much older and wiser.

3. Hans would have had more involvement as the villain rather than just some stupid love interest for Anna. He would have been more like Gaston from Beauty and the Beast or Clayton from Tarzan: a hunter for the Snow queen.

4. The musical scores would have conveyed the emotion of each scene instead of just having songs just to have them. (The only song in Frozen that did that was Let it Go. The rest of the soundtrack was really shallow)

5. Olaf would not exist, and if he did Walt Disney would make him not just a wise crack, but useful to the story's plot.

6. Lastly, the movie wouldn't have some knock off Dreamworks title: FROZEN. That is so uncreative! Frozen? It would have had a magical captivating mysterious title. Possibly "The Snow Queen of the Mountains" or something like that.

Movies today seem to have no effort. Companies are more concerned about merchandise coming from the movies than the actual movies themselves. The excuse: kids can't tell. Kids know when a movie is crap.
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Drock625 Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2014
According to the original story board, that thing that looked like she was having fun WAS antagonistic. So that proves your theory wrong.

She would most definitely be a better villain than Hans is. Yeah good theories, however there are only one, and they would've made better movies than the one we've got, even though the one we've got is okay, it's by no means a great Diseny movie.

Yeah, she's okay. Anna is so adorkable... hehe courtesy of Honest Trailers. Yeah, however, she would've been better as a villain, or a host of her virus. You get what I'm saying. Like her curse is rabies, but not in the realistic scary way because rabies is fucking horrifying, I mean like her powers taking control of her mind, and mak... yeah whatever you saw me said this before I'm not saying it again, it would've been better if she was an antagonist.

You know what? We needed more Elsa time, Anna was clumsy and a dork, I don't see her at all as the hero type. Plus I read the story this movie is VERY LOOSELY based on, it is no where near the books level.
In fact the only thing that this movie has in relation to the book, is Elsa and the snow queen, that's it, the rest of "Frozen" has nothing to do with the book whatsoever.

I know, so making her a villain wouldn't be true to the book as well, she was neutral like you said.

And yet he becomes a power hungry psychopath, so nope, he's not relatable at all.  Child negligence part aside, he's not relatable, I don't suffer from child negligence, and neither do like, 90% of the worlds population, okay more like 70 or 75%.
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Soragirl6 Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2014
Walt Disney had planned on doing this movie years ago, and his version was going to be very close to the original story. But instead we get a dopey teenager who only cares about dresses and romance. Walt Disney would turn over in his grave if he knew how butchered Disney Studios made "The Snow Queen"'s final project. Disney lately seems to be butchering all its movies. In an attempt to push social agendas, sell pretty merchandise, compete with dream works with useless yet annoying characters with butt jokes (olaf), the Disney Studios somehow doesn't care if its a well developed story.
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FriendoftheDoctor Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2014
Theory? What theory? I said it looked to me like she wasn't doing anything antagonistic. And I did mention that I didn't get a good look at her face.

Now I won't deny that I'm curious of what would've happen if Elsa was the antagonist (and what I would've thought if she was.) Though I like the idea of the powers taking control over Elsa rather than her becoming a villain willingly. If she was the antagonist, I want her to still be sympathetic and likable. But again, this is because I watched the movie first and then learned about the original plans for Elsa.

So in the end I think she's fine the way she is. I get that not everybody thinks that, and I'll be honest; I'm not cool (no pun intended) about it. But I've learned the hard way that I won't be able to change everybody's mind. There's always going to be those out there who disagree. The least I can do is speak my own mind and I can be content with that.
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Drock625 Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2014
Let me tell you something... you said it looked like, sometimes it can be referred to as a theory, now however, I have sources that says it was antagonistic so there it proves you wrong still ^^;
I got a good look. On the HD version. the one I have on here was not that good at all.

Maybe it was because of that, however some people have seen the movie first and then looked at the original story plan, and believed that the original would've been better, however, that's still a relevant suggestion. It would've been better had her powers taken over her, and she was still the human behind this wall.

She needs more screen time she was the most interesting character of the movie, 29 Min and 14 seconds, wasn't enough for her at all, and this movie wasn't long enough for good story telling, and good character development. That is one of this movie's many flaws, unexplained trolls, powers (well it did say she was born with it, but that's it? Born? oh... whatever.) more unnecessary characters (cough Olaf cough) even though he was okay. No... she's not alright the way she is, she is lovable, but she needed more screen time. I know I've said it before, but its the truth.
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FriendoftheDoctor Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2014
I don't care whether I was right or wrong, I was merely saying how it looked to me.

Elsa did pretty good on her own. She goes through hardships and comes out on top to get her happy ending. Do I believe she shouldn't have gotten more screen time? Of course not, she does deserve more screen time. It would be nice to see more of Elsa not having to deal with fear of her powers, which took up most of her screen time. But, somebody might actually like the lack of screen time so that they can interpret Elsa however they want for their fanfiction. Most writers like to make it that Elsa has come out of her show and become more free spirited and fun-loving, but still responsible and knowing there's a time and a place.

But as much as i would love to see more of Elsa, I'm skeptical about a sequel (especially since I don't know what material could possibly be used for one and let's face it, Disney hasn't done a lot of good sequels over the years. There were a few exceptions but not by much). On the other hand, I wouldn't say no to some short films that just showed little moments for the characters. But I'm really hoping, if any do come out, they will be focusing on most of the major characters and not just the side ones like Olaf and Sven (Sadly though, I wouldn't be surprised). Wonder if the broadway adaptation will show more focus for the characters than the movie did.

Yeah, it was weird that her powers could affect her clothing and create sentient life (though they at least made it that Elsa herself was surprised by the latter). Sure her powers are magic and all but I can see why people would think that clothes and living snowman would count as crossing the line. Well, not so much the living snowman bit for me because I've one too many stories where a person with elemental powers did something like that. But it was usually somebody with earth powers who creates golems.

As for the truth? Nah. Everything that's been said is just our personal opinions of the truth. You've got our opinion, I've got mine, and sometimes it's fine to just leave it at that.
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Soragirl6 Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2014
I stopped watching Disney movies because they stopped caring about good story telling and instead were obsessed with cgi animation. After seeing Frozen I don't see why any of Disney's movies will be different. The next movie that Disney releases I won't see anything unless I see a good synopsis of what the movie is about. I should've known Frozen would be crap when I saw the synopsis. This time I'm going to follow my hunch, ignore hype, and not waste my money on a movie I could've watched from my laptop.
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Drock625 Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2014
Whether you care or not, I don't care. :) At least you're still wrong.

Wait a minute what? So you don't believe she should've gotten more screen time, and yet you're saying she does deserve more screen-time... :?
Still the lack of character development does not make her very notable in this movie, even though she is a notable character, she needed more screen time because she was obviously the one with all the problems, it would've been more interesting if they concentrated more on her than her sister. Elsa was the one who is having trouble, "somebody might actually like the lack of screen-time" is not gonna cut it, not for most people out there.

Yeah, Disney really suck at sequels, those Direct-to-DVD ones are proof of that. Hell the sequel to Peter Pan got a theatrical release, and that one sucked. If there is, they need another writer, because this movie was sort of deplorable, so many flaws, underdeveloped characters. Yeah that's deplorable, and someone saying "its a Disney movie" isn't gonna cut it anymore, not when you've got kids movies like "Secret of NIMH" a movie with pretty complex story telling, and a kids TV show like "Avatar: The Last Airbender" a show that has great writing, story telling, set up, characters, yeah. Saying "its a kids movie" is not gonna cut it anymore. I'm not saying you are gonna say it, I'm just putting that out there.

AS Honest trailer said:
"A manic depressive princess with a confusing set of powers like, Snow blasting, dress making, castle building, and creating life?"
Elsa: You're alive?
Olaf: I think so
"They kinda gloss over that one."

I agree, they really made it up as they went along and not explain the sh(beep):rofl:
IDK if you've seen the Honest Trailer for Frozen, if you haven't check out my newest journal entry on the main page.

"As for the truth? Nah"
Yep I thought so. You wanna know what really proves it? the movie itself. The movie is alike a video used in court, where a prosecutor would try to prove that this guy did this, whereas the defendant's lawyer would say anything to make it look different, yes its' the same thing.
Either way, I knew you were gonna say that, good job.
:iconclapplz: Hey look! Citizen Kane applauding you. :D
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BrainyxBat Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
The weird thing is, Frozen won the award for Best Animated Feature. Personally, I think Epic should have won. I haven't seen Frozen, but I know already from this review that Epic is the better one.
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Drock625 Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014
Oh no, If I'm gonna review "Epic" I think it's gonna be more negative than this one, because I remember seeing the movie, and it was nothing but using celebrities to sell the movie instead of a good story. I think I am gonna review it. I'm gonna have to watch it again, because it is so forgettable, and seeing as how basically nobody remembers it, yeah I'm gonna have to watch it again. It's gonna be a pain.
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BrainyxBat Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, okay. ^^;
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LadySnowWhiteGagars Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You...took the words...right out of my mouth...I don't know how to say it any better than: I completely agree with you to the point where I'm speechless. You explained what I could never explain about the movie for myself! You bring up the GREATEST points. And finally, it's nice to know someone out there that thinks it's not a GREAT movie. (It's good, not GREAT) Also, I like what you said on the love situation. I mean, wasn't shutting everyone out Elsa's way of protecting everyone? Now why would she do that? Oh I don't know, maybe because SHE LOVED THEM. This is an amazing review, you are so smart, just I love how you worded things to make sense which is something I can never do. :iconmnrthumbsupplz: 
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Drock625 Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014
:D glad you agreed as well. I'm certainly glad I'm not the only one who saw this. People give me pathetic excuses like "It's a Disney movie" Okay, sure it's a Disney movie but is that a reason as for a story to be un-ambitious or rushed. Yeah. Frozen completely lacks a good story, but I gotta say its animation is so great, and again I'd prefer 2D animation over 3D.

Oh and thank you. :)
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LadySnowWhiteGagars Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
you are VERY welcome. I think you and me would be best friends if we ever met in real life. X)
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Drock625 Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014
oh... oh... well... okay. ^^;
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LadySnowWhiteGagars Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
And I just gotta say this, to me, the songs of a Disney movie is like the movie's "power" attacks/moves. (you know like in a game) and they used THREE in like the first 20 minutes...what?!? So that means, the rest of the songs (except Let it Go) were all forgettable. VERY RUSHED THERE. -facepalm- 
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Drock625 Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014
By the way... Rapunzel was totally in this movie.
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LadySnowWhiteGagars Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
oh yeah I caught that
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Drock625 Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014
:)
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Inezel Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Sheesh, everyone's comments are all extremely long, and I've had my fair share on my strip down of this movie's plot with all those plot hole questions I asked. So I'll try to keep this short. :3

My. Thoughts. Exactly.
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Drock625 Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2014
;)

yep, us movie goers are so critical about movies. :)

Yeah you thought it was rushed too huh?
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Inezel Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh my goodness, absolutely. It was ridiculous just how fast-paced everything was. It bothered me to no end. :3
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Drock625 Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2014
I KNOW RIGHT?

It really bothered me too. I mean, well... you saw my review, and shit. One of the least thought out Disney movies.
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Inezel Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
You couldn't be more right. This was just...this was so rushed. I just couldn't bring myself past that. :3
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Drock625 Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2014
I know/. I was expecting more, and the trailers advertised what would seem to be a long movie, but it was nothing like that, the trailers advertised and almost different movie.
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